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Rors Player-Rank: 2 Rors is a male
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Hi guys!
I'm playing on Gallaxy 197 and I conquered a planet("Orion 4" 3/1/2-5) during the turn 478.
But...there isn´t population there and I can´t do anything Confused
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The only way to repopulate a zero'd planet is by sending a colony ship to repopulate it.

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The only way to repopulate a zero'd planet is by sending a colony ship to repopulate it.

afaik, it pops up again in a few turns even w/o colony ship if you conquered 0 pop planet, not sure what happens if you starve a planet to 0 with less than 1st citizen food storage (40).

edit: hmm, that 40 food storage may also be a requirement for conquering, but i know it does pop up again Big Grin

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It wont necessarily re-grow. It depends in the average food stores over the last 8 turns.

If you starve it to zero pop, or have a low non-growing pop for a while and is then bio-bombed, they wont come back.
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if you have atleast 40 storage, it will always grow back, wont it?
cause the average food stores over the last 8 turns will always convergate to 0 (8 turns max, 9?)

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if you have atleast 40 storage, it will always grow back, wont it?


Not sure I understand. If it takes 40 food to have the first pop, it'll already be there,

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cause the average food stores over the last 8 turns will always convergate to 0 (8 turns max, 9?)


I'm certain I don't understand that. Wink
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Average must go down to 0 first.

Example:

Average pop = [1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0] after rounding up is still 1.

P.S. I don't understand how exactly average is calculated. Mizzi already told me its arithmetic average, but i found out number of parameters is also determined in some strange (to me) way.

Real example: I have planet longer than 8 ticks, so average should be function of 8 parameters, but it is not always the case. Confused
I guess i need to study wiki a little more, or hope some of you know what is going on. Big Grin

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After logging in to game iv noticed i'm writing some stupid things.

Formula is:
Food-Storage-Size = ((Average-Population-Count - 1) ^ 1.5) * 40 + 40

So it has some meaning in real numbers only for Average-Population-Count>0

I still don't understand how are number of parameters of Average-Population-Count determined.
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but i found out number of parameters is also determined in some strange (to me) way.

Real example: I have planet longer than 8 ticks, so average should be function of 8 parameters, but it is not always the case. Confused


When you grow the planet it gets rid of the parmeters that are 2 popluation less then the current population.
Average is rounded up to make it so you have to pay the next populations cost.
The parameters are cut off for the same reason, or else the average can easily end ith the average less than the current population.

Example :
Turn 1(Pop is 8 )
[8]
Turn 2
[8,8]
Turn 3
[8,8,8]
Turn 4
[8,8,8,8]
Turn 5(Growth to pop 9)
[8,8,8,8,9]
Turn 6
[8,8,8,8,9,9]
Turn 7
[8,8,8,8,9,9,9]
Turn 8
[8,8,8,8,9,9,9,9]
Turn 9 (Growth to 10 pop)
[9,9,9,9,10] (8s are cut off or else average would be 8.75 or 9 round up, meaning you only would pay for 9 pop cost which is not the intend )

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Cool thank you for help. I haven't noticed parameters lower by 2 than current population are discarded. Red Face
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Unless it has changed in the last couple years, you can not repop an already existing colony by sending a colony ship there.

I can't say that I've tried every planet at 0 pop, but I've had a few and they have always started to regrow on their own.

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Having less than 40 food is a rather rare case, I'm fairly certain a colony ship will repop the planet if the planet stays at 0 pop.

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colony ships WILL recolonize a planet, even if there is enough food to get pop in a couple turns when average goes down. Tested it myself before (had a couple colships trailing some biobombers Smile )

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